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15 Later Johanan had a private conference with Gedaliah and volunteered to kill Ishmael secretly. “Why should we let him come and murder you?” Johanan asked. “What will happen then to the Judeans who have returned? Why should the few of us who are still left be scattered and lost?”

16 But Gedaliah said to Johanan, “I forbid you to do any such thing, for you are lying about Ishmael.”

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15 Then Johanan(A) son of Kareah said privately to Gedaliah in Mizpah, “Let me go and kill(B) Ishmael son of Nethaniah, and no one will know it. Why should he take your life and cause all the Jews who are gathered around you to be scattered(C) and the remnant(D) of Judah to perish?”

16 But Gedaliah son of Ahikam said to Johanan(E) son of Kareah, “Don’t do such a thing! What you are saying about Ishmael is not true.”

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